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Of Goats and Men June 25, 2011

So.
As the victory for equality in New York is being celebrated, one of the first comments from the opposition I read is something to the effect of, “Well then, I want to marry my goat.” This echoes the quote used by Box Turtle Bulletin, “Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife…”

That would be like having said, “Gee, I might as well let my DOG vote,” when women were finally granted that right.

It’s a bogus argument emanating from people to justify their prejudice, hatred, or (maybe most often) plain ignorance.
It is an extension of the much-loved false notion of the old “slippery-slope” nonsense.¹

Our past shows us that the majority cannot always be trusted to insure the rights of the minority.
In 1912, there was a constitutional proposition to ban interracial marriage. It was claimed that if interracial couples married
the very fabric of society would dissolve.”²
Gee. That’s sounds vaguely familiar.

Many will say, “Yes, that was obviously wrong.”
THAT’S MY POINT. It wasn’t obvious to them at that time!
Listen people, these views were espoused by the “church!”  Complete with lots of Bible verses!
“God said it. I believe it. That settles it!”

You may see their error now, but if you were a conservative, right wing, protestant male at the time, the likelihood is that these views would have been YOUR views! AND you would have been saying, “It’s not me. It’s GOD.”

How can we be so oblivious to at least the possibility that we may be just as guilty of misunderstanding God as were our oppressive ancestors?
Yes, you’ve got your handful of verses.
So did they!

Even if you were right theologically, the one marriage that is truly devastating is that of church and state.
We were watching “The King’s Speech” the other night. It showed how the king was also the highest official of the Church of England.
The mini-series “The Pillars of the Earth” really brings home the atrocities that occur when the cross and the sword become one.
I digress.

When two humans who love each other and want to spend their lives together are allowed to unite in marriage, it has nothing to do with turtles or goats. There is no slope involved. Especially not a slippery one. The “fabric of society” will not unravel because of it. Marriage is not being “rediffined.” Others are simply being included in the existing definition.
We’re just talking basic human equality. Divorce is the great threat to the sanctity of marriage; not same-sex unions. I believe these unions will, if anything, strenghten our society.

It’s been said before, but our history shows that religious people are often the last to be swayed by the truth.
How sad is that?
Those who should be the ones championing equality and truth are all too often the ones fighting hardest against it.

— df

¹ “The slippery-slope argument – that we’d better not budge on or rethink anything for fear we’ll slip down into liberalism, apostasy, or some other hell – proves itself dangerous and naïve even as it tries to protect us from danger and naiveté. [For one thing] it assumes that we’re already at the top of the slope, when it’s just as likely that we’re already at the bottom or somewhere in the middle.”
Bryan McLaren, in “A New Kind Of Christianity.”

²  William Stacy Johnson, in “A Time To Embrace.”

Also see:
What’s So Amazing About Grace
Thou Shalt Not Love
Fall To Grace
Gay Christian Answers
The Myth of a Christian Nation
Evolving In Monkey Town

 

Facts On Marriage Equality November 10, 2010

Marriage is about committed couples who want to make a lifelong promise to take care of and be responsible for each other—that’s true of same-sex couples, too. Straight and gay couples want to marry for the same reasons, to build a life with the person they love.

Ending the exclusion of gay people from marriage would not change the “definition” of marriage, but it would remove a discriminatory barrier from the path of people who have made a personal commitment to each other and are now ready and willing to take on the responsibilities and legal commitment of marriage. These couples are asking to be included in the current definition of marriage: love, commitment and security shared between two people. When same-sex couples marry, they don’t change the “definition” of anyone else’s marriage.

Extending the freedom to marry to same-sex couples would not compel any church or clergy to marry gay and lesbian couples. It would allow clergy members who wish to marry same-sex couples to do so. Churches have long been able to decide who they would and would not marry whether it’s divorced individuals looking to remarry or interfaith couples.

Read more. Get the facts at:
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/


Also read what Justin has to say at:
Justin’s View

And my Footnote from a previous article.

 

Tribbles Aren’t The Trouble. Labels Are. August 23, 2010


This article has made it’s way around the web. It’s been included in whole or in part, on many other sites & blogs like “Christians Tired of Being Misrepresented,” and “The Gay Christian Network” sub-site “Syncroblog For Sanity.” Since first posting it it 2010 (Really? Has it been that long?!?), it has went through various edits and updates. SO, if you’ve read it somewhere else, or if you haven’t read it for a long time, you may wish to re-read it.
– df
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Personality tests. You know the ones. Those like the “Myers-Briggs Type Indicator.” Some people I know fall neatly into one category or the other. Me, not so much. In all those kinds of tests I took, I was usually all over the map. They’ve never really been able to classify me. These tests seem to be designed to “pigeon-hole” people, and try to put them in neat little boxes. I’ve found that boxes, labels and “catch-phrases” oversimplify the vast complexity of our humanity. They also, to be sure, oversimplify the vast complexity of our sexuality. Labels may be fine for canned goods, but not always for people.

I’m writing here what is the most open, public, and personal statement about my sexuality; not to just talk about myself, but more to add my voice to a current discussion that all too often is a divisive “issue.” So, here goes…

I pretty much always knew that I was gay. Later in life, due to my religious views at the time, I considered myself ex-gay.
Now, I’m an “Ex” ex-gay.
I could be considered a gay man in a mixed-orientation marriage.
Since there are varying degrees of bisexuality, “bisexual” is probably my self-identifying term of choice. There are a lot of opposite-sex married monogamous bisexuals. That doesn’t make them any less Bi!
(I’m also fine with the more general “queer.”)
Here’s what I do know:
I am a man who has chosen to live in a monogamous, heterosexual relationship with the woman I love, and to whom I am genuinely sexually attracted. That doesn’t mean I’m not still attracted to men.
I am.
Contrary to accusations I’ve received, I am not being hypocritical or “denying my true self.” Many straight men are still attracted to women other than their spouse. To be faithful to the one you love, while recognizing that others are attractive, is NOT hypocritical. It is, in my opinion, just part of existing as sexual beings.

In “Thou Shalt Not Love: What Evangelicals Really Say to Gays,” Patrick M Chapman suggests that sexuality exists on a continuum. This can help explain why not everyone can so easily be crammed into pre-determined categories. Mr. Chapman’s book, by the way, is the single most complete and thorough treatment of the subject I’ve ever seen. He writes from the viewpoint of a gay Christian anthropologist. [Update: I’ve since found another simply wonderful book called “A Time To Embrace.” Together, these two books are pretty much a complete library on the subject.]

So, anyway, I went through so-called “reparative therapy.” I used to be part of an “ex-gay” support group. I no longer promote “ex-gay” ministries. I did receive some positive input throughout my therapy, but it wasn’t because of the “ex-gay” aspects. It was the simple, general psychology and self-worth portions which helped. The promises of a changed orientation are simply not true. Actually, they are downright harmful. [The practice is being banned is some places for minors, as well it should be!] I must say that of all the people I have personally known who say they “came out” of homosexuality, none of them ever quit being attracted to those of the same sex. I can say that in all my years of involvement with those groups, I’ve never seen it happen. I have seen many who have said it happened, end up proving it didn’t. Many people in the movement now admit that the only change is in behavior, and not in orientation. And as one man from the documentary “Through My Eyes” has said, “Well, that’s just not good enough.”

Another label I used to wear was “right-wing, Republican, evangelical Christian.”
The journey “out” of that sociopolitical mindset that masquerades as following God, is a journey many have taken, and more and more people who follow Christ are beginning to take. That journey became “big news” through the statements of author Anne Rice who, while remaining a “Christ follower” decided she had to “quit Christianity”. (God bless you, Anne).
As part of my journey out, (including much investigation, Bible study, research, prayer, and just plain living) many of my beliefs have changed. I am now convinced that when the Bible is properly approached, interpreted, and understood – not as a constitution, but as a divinely inspired community library – there is no reason to believe that God condemns same-sex relationships . Like many, it is because of my commitment to Christ (not in spite of it) that I have become gay-affirming, and take a stand for marriage equality. I won’t go into all the Biblical and extra-Biblical discussions, interpretation, analysis, and arguments here. Many have already done that, and have done a much better job than I could ever do. (Check out the additional resources at the end of the article.)

One thing I’ve found is that attitudes often change when things are moved from “issues” to “people.” Everything is simple when it’s all “in theory.” I can’t tell you how many Christian friends of mine have taken stands on various issues, only to do a 180 when the situation “hit home.” When it’s no longer about abstracts, and it’s about the people you know and love; when it’s about YOUR life, things look a lot different. No, that doesn’t change “truth,” but it can certainly make us realize we may not have had the grasp on truth that we thought we had.

OK. I know I’m an exception, and not the rule. I’m not one-of-a-kind, but I may quite likely be “one-of-a-few.” Even with marriage: My wife and I were divorced and remarried.  That almost never works.  I left the marriage thinking that it was the best thing for both of us.  (Alright.  Mostly best for me.)   After a couple years of “playing the field,” I came to the realization there was no one, of any sex, I wanted to spend my life with more than my wife.  My orientation did NOT change, but I realized that we love who we love.  That’s just the way it is.
Again, we are the exception. BUT, that is a large part of my point. All these labels, boxes, and definitions are sometimes a little too “neat” for real life. I know we can’t avoid them (and they can be very useful), but we need to be aware of their limitations.
Whatever labels you place on yourself, and whatever your religious persuasion or lack thereof, one label we all wear is “human.”
We’re all people.
And there are a couple of things the Jesus I believe in made very clear:
“Love God. Love people.”
I think that’s a pretty good place to start.

More “personal” posts:
Here I Am        The Vega, The Ghost, And The Rambling Old Man        CLICK        More About My Journey        Comments On A Comment        Baby Smashing: 101

SPECIAL NOTE:
In connection with the new book “TORN” by Justin Lee, check out his “SYNCROBLOG FOR SANITY Click this link: http://gcnjustin.tumblr.com/sanity

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES
Through My Eyes        Holy Terror        Thou Shalt Not Love        A Time To Embrace: Same-Gender Relationships in Religion, Law, and Politics        Bible teachings at Gay Christian Network        Box Turtle Bulletin        A New Kind Of Christianity        For The Bible Tells Me So         [Photo from Star Trek, the original series, episode “The Trouble With Tribbles.” Original airdate December 29, 1967 ]

FOOTNOTE: I will say, even if you do believe the Bible is anti-gay (which I do not), that is no reason to oppose marriage equality. In the USA, you don’t have to be a Christian to get married. You don’t have to go to a church to get married. You don’t have to believe in God to get married. In this country, marriage is an act of the state. It is a legal contract. In the United States, marriage is not a religious right. It is a social institution. Just from a legal perspective, there is no reason to deny gay couples that legal avenue. Plus, since the divorce rate among evangelicals is as high or higher than the rest of the country, any talk from them about the sanctity of marriage is empty rhetoric, and laughably hypocritical.

THANKS: Prior to publication, this post was sent to a select few for feedback and input. This included those who self-identify as gay, ex-gay, and straight. I give sincere thanks to all who responded. Agree or disagree, those who chose to respond did so with respect. Of course the biggest thanks goes out to my wife, who has walked this journey with me for over three decades. What a true woman of God. She also gave input into this article, as well as the MUCH needed proof-reading. And she helped me choose from about 10 possible titles.

ADDENDUM: I don’t really like the argument from either side about whether or not homosexuals CAN change. To me, that misses the point. The bigger question is WHY change. Is it necessary or beneficial? Is is what God wants? I think not. At least no kind of “self-created” change. If, as in my case, one actually falls in love with someone of the opposite sex, and develops sexual attraction to that one person of the opposite sex, then that change (or maybe “expansion” is a better word) is “organic” and far different than some kind of forced or unwanted change. In the end, we love who we love.

 

 
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